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# "Cloudflare, we have a problem" # "Cloudflare, we have a problem"
![](image/itsreallythatbad.jpg) ![](image/people.jpg)
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"_It's endangering the WWW and you're blocking readers who are protecting their privacy by using Tor._" -- [Mr. Jeff Cliff, BSc](https://twitter.com/jeffcliff1/status/992571841406537728) "_It's endangering the WWW and you're blocking readers who are protecting their privacy by using Tor._" -- [Mr. Jeff Cliff, BSc](https://twitter.com/jeffcliff1/status/992571841406537728)
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(Just don't add Medium.com articles. It's Cloudflared. Whether the content is good or not doesn't matter.) (Just don't add Medium.com articles. It's Cloudflared. Whether the content is good or not doesn't matter.)
"[Can you trust CloudFlare with your personal data?](https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/11/can-you-trust-cloudflare-with-your-personal-data/)" by [Terence Eden](https://edent.tel/)
"[WARP is not a VPN for privacy](https://www.piavpnaymodqeuza.onion/blog/2019/09/warp-is-not-a-vpn-for-privacy/)" by [Private Internet Access](https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/) "[WARP is not a VPN for privacy](https://www.piavpnaymodqeuza.onion/blog/2019/09/warp-is-not-a-vpn-for-privacy/)" by [Private Internet Access](https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/)
"[Cloudflare - why the fuss?](https://decentralize.today/decentralization/cloudflare-why-the-fuss)" by [O S Layman](https://decentralize.today/cryptocurrency/blogger/big-h) "[Cloudflare - why the fuss?](https://decentralize.today/decentralization/cloudflare-why-the-fuss)" by [O S Layman](https://decentralize.today/cryptocurrency/blogger/big-h)
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"[why you shouldnt use Cloudflare](https://tech.tiq.cc/2016/01/why-you-shouldnt-use-cloudflare/)" by [tiq](https://tech.tiq.cc/) "[why you shouldnt use Cloudflare](https://tech.tiq.cc/2016/01/why-you-shouldnt-use-cloudflare/)" by [tiq](https://tech.tiq.cc/)
"[DNSサーバー「1.1.1.1」が利用できない障害発生中2018年4月22日](https://web.archive.org/web/20190815152042/https://did2memo.net/2018/04/22/dns-1-1-1-1-failure-2018-04-22/)" by [did2](https://twitter.com/did2memo)
"[The CloudFlare MITM](https://web.archive.org/web/20160311163431/https://blog.paymium.com/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/)" by [David FRANCOIS](https://blog.paymium.com/) "[The CloudFlare MITM](https://web.archive.org/web/20160311163431/https://blog.paymium.com/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/)" by [David FRANCOIS](https://blog.paymium.com/)
"[Allergique à Cloudflare ? Voici comment vous soigner…](https://korben.info/cloudflare-mitm.html)" by [KORBEN](https://korben.info/) "[Allergique à Cloudflare ? Voici comment vous soigner…](https://korben.info/cloudflare-mitm.html)" by [KORBEN](https://korben.info/)
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"[Ongoing centralization of the internet through CDNs](https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/3gc1ne/ongoing_centralization_of_the_internet_through/)" by [quickdecision](https://www.reddit.com/user/quickdecision/) "[Ongoing centralization of the internet through CDNs](https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/3gc1ne/ongoing_centralization_of_the_internet_through/)" by [quickdecision](https://www.reddit.com/user/quickdecision/)
"[Padlock icon appears on MitMd Firefox connections](https://redmine.tails.boum.org/code/issues/11629)" by [cypherpunks](https://redmine.tails.boum.org/code/users/808)
"[I'm not sure if I can ELI5 this but I'll try my best to explain.](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/bg3lxh/was_casually_checking_my_logs_this_is_what_is/elk77k3/)" by [Waphire](https://www.reddit.com/user/Waphire) "[I'm not sure if I can ELI5 this but I'll try my best to explain.](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/bg3lxh/was_casually_checking_my_logs_this_is_what_is/elk77k3/)" by [Waphire](https://www.reddit.com/user/Waphire)
"[Anonym im Internet - Inhaltsverzeichnis](https://wiki.kairaven.de/open/anon/netzwerk/anet)" by [Kairaven](https://hp.kairaven.de) "[Anonym im Internet - Inhaltsverzeichnis](https://wiki.kairaven.de/open/anon/netzwerk/anet)" by [Kairaven](https://hp.kairaven.de)
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> Too many to list here. It is IMPOSSIBLE to list them all! [See for yourself](https://twitter.com/search?q=Cloudflare). > Too many to list here. It is IMPOSSIBLE to list them all! [See for yourself](https://twitter.com/search?q=Cloudflare).
"By the way Cloudflare has blocked me on Twitter for criticizing them." by @[dxgl_org](https://twitter.com/dxgl_org/status/1198461938411429888)
"You can buy few BTC and wanting to publish them for sale they blocked my account. I don't know that I was wrong. What do I have to do to recover it? Cloudflare Ray ID" by @[AgusNob74](https://twitter.com/AgusNob74/status/1198430473829199872)
"Is krakenfx under some sort of attack? " by @[EnnePoe](https://twitter.com/EnnePoe/status/1197910384973406210)
"Cloudflare is not exactly a free speech big tech company. I'm not saying this is a cloudflare issue but they proved they hated free speech when the blocked 8chan." by @[HD283271](https://twitter.com/HD283271/status/1197866246458482688)
"Cloudflare is blocking me from the sight at the moment. The documents should be available there for download." by @[davenlr](https://twitter.com/davenlr/status/1198086978715013120)
"Cloudflare is blocking access from Cuba, so we cannot update clamav, and even send virus sample to alert you" by @[ReneHernndez67](https://twitter.com/ReneHernndez67/status/1197914945637306369)
"FOr months when I try there is only a CloudFlare error. I miss my stories." by @[cogdog](https://twitter.com/cogdog/status/1198795213357010944)
"Alert Details: 530 - CloudFlare Origin DNS Error (Cloudflare cannot resolve the A or CNAME record requested.)" by @[YggdrasilStatus](https://twitter.com/YggdrasilStatus/status/1198426879071526918)
"site's offline now.... showing cloudflare errors consistently.... :(" by @[Nessy_Reads](https://twitter.com/Nessy_Reads/status/1198362194188132354)
"if you somehow make it so i don't have to click crosswalks/firehydrants/stoplights on Cloudflare for every site, then my shilling might never cease" by @[evan_van_ness](https://twitter.com/evan_van_ness/status/1198010177238261761)
"Cloudflare You have always been a #horrible corp with #broken #software Go away! Now! " by @[MeerMusik](https://twitter.com/MeerMusik/status/1197632454217076736)
"CloudFlare's website protection is blocking access to BitChute today. :/ Why not, they block other sites already!" by @[waynecolvin](https://twitter.com/waynecolvin/status/1197684878692667392)
"I've been wondering this myself. I've also considered that maybe these Cloudflare people, have taken away bitchute credentials in order to block them from public view. Maybe I should try to reach them on Tor Browser." by @[AlarikOdinsson](https://twitter.com/AlarikOdinsson/status/1197684550446415872)
"Two months ago, I cancelled my Cloudflare account and told them to delete my data. Today, they've emailed me their new privacy policy because I'm still a customer! Trying to pump their user numbers up before an IPO or just sloppy data protection? Either way, not a great look." by @[edent](https://twitter.com/edent/status/1179492594855874561)
"New blogging from me. Even after you delete your account, CloudFlare insist they have the right to email you per a non-existent section of their privacy policy." by @[edent](https://twitter.com/edent/status/1197781221180411905)
"Ive had the same experience as you with account deletions." by @[daviddlow](https://twitter.com/daviddlow/status/1197787135526555648)
"Do you know if this info is on any other sites? Sadly patreon has been taken in on the foolishness that is CloudFlare & blocks tor nodes." by @[DeborahPeasley](https://twitter.com/DeborahPeasley/status/1196465140243320832) "Do you know if this info is on any other sites? Sadly patreon has been taken in on the foolishness that is CloudFlare & blocks tor nodes." by @[DeborahPeasley](https://twitter.com/DeborahPeasley/status/1196465140243320832)
"Submitted a case & it was instantly marked as resolved." by @[ebenson_emily](https://twitter.com/ebenson_emily/status/1197585421028483073)
"hey, I'm using a VPN exiting in the DigitalOcean network. Cannot access this site." by @[AliveDevil95](https://twitter.com/AliveDevil95/status/1196409774323224576) "hey, I'm using a VPN exiting in the DigitalOcean network. Cannot access this site." by @[AliveDevil95](https://twitter.com/AliveDevil95/status/1196409774323224576)
"umm this cloudflare anti DOS shit blocked me from your site. LOL i know shit all about DDOSing or anything, the closest thing to that for me is going on Tor " by @[Undyingtmlg](https://twitter.com/Undyingtmlg/status/1196811999029743621) "umm this cloudflare anti DOS shit blocked me from your site. LOL i know shit all about DDOSing or anything, the closest thing to that for me is going on Tor " by @[Undyingtmlg](https://twitter.com/Undyingtmlg/status/1196811999029743621)
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> Too many to list here. It is IMPOSSIBLE to list them all! [See for yourself](https://mastodon.social/tags/cloudflare). > Too many to list here. It is IMPOSSIBLE to list them all! [See for yourself](https://mastodon.social/tags/cloudflare).
"Can you trust CloudFlare with your personal data?" by @[Edent](https://mastodon.social/@Edent/103175943251084170)
"wenn sich der Tagesspiegel nicht hinter #cloudflare verstecken würde, würde ich ihn wahrscheinlich auch lesen" by @[kromonos](https://metalhead.club/@kromonos/103136278965173255) "wenn sich der Tagesspiegel nicht hinter #cloudflare verstecken würde, würde ich ihn wahrscheinlich auch lesen" by @[kromonos](https://metalhead.club/@kromonos/103136278965173255)
"Not that I expect Cloudflare to be doing anything malicious, I'm just a little uncomfortable where passwords or anything sensitive are involved." by @[IceWolf](https://meow.social/@IceWolf/103116651269844076) "Not that I expect Cloudflare to be doing anything malicious, I'm just a little uncomfortable where passwords or anything sensitive are involved." by @[IceWolf](https://meow.social/@IceWolf/103116651269844076)

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- [Terminating sites](README_ethics.md#terminating-sites) - [Terminating sites](README_ethics.md#terminating-sites)
- [Browser vendor discrimination](README_ethics.md#browser-vendor-discrimination) - [Browser vendor discrimination](README_ethics.md#browser-vendor-discrimination)
- [Voter suppression](README_ethics.md#voter-suppression) - [Voter suppression](README_ethics.md#voter-suppression)
- [Ignoring user's preference](README_ethics.md#ignoring-user-s-preference)
- [Lying about deleting user's data](README_ethics.md#lying-about-deleting-users-data)
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![](image/cfvotm_01.jpg) ![](image/cfvotm_01.jpg)
![](image/cfvotm_02.jpg) ![](image/cfvotm_02.jpg)
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### Ignoring user's preference
If you opt-out something, you expect that you receive no email about it. Cloudflare ignore user's preference and share data with third-party corporations [without customer's consent](https://twitter.com/thexpaw/status/1108424723233419264).
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### Lying about deleting user's data
According to this [ex-cloudflare customer's blog](https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/11/can-you-trust-cloudflare-with-your-personal-data/), Cloudflare is lying about deleting accounts. Nowadays, many [companies keep your data](https://justdeleteme.xyz/) after you've closed or removed your account. Most of good companies do mention about it in their privacy policy. Cloudflare? No.
```
2019-08-05 CloudFlare sent me confirmation that they'd removed my account.
2019-10-02 I received an email from CloudFlare "because I am a customer"
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Cloudflare didn't know about the word "remove". If it is really _removed_, why this ex-customer got an email? He also mentioned that Cloudflare's privacy policy doesn't mention about it.
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Their new privacy policy doesn't make any mention of retaining data for a year.
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How can you trust Cloudflare if [their privacy policy is a LIE](https://twitter.com/daviddlow/status/1197787135526555648)?
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### Next: **[Cloudflare Voices](PEOPLE.md)** ### Next: **[Cloudflare Voices](PEOPLE.md)**

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8ch.net https://new.blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/
linux.pizza https://social.linux.pizza/@admin/102189393483894910 linux.pizza https://social.linux.pizza/@admin/102189393483894910
privacytools.io It took 3 years to convince him to move off Cloudflare. privacytools.io It took 3 years to convince him to move off Cloudflare.
8ch.net https://new.blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/ shkspr.mobi https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/11/can-you-trust-cloudflare-with-your-personal-data/

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- "Firefox Focus"(Firefox Klar) [is a joke](https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/focus-android/issues/1743). - "Firefox Focus"(Firefox Klar) [is a joke](https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/focus-android/issues/1743).
- PaleMoon developer [loves Cloudflare](https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/focus-android/issues/1743#issuecomment-345993097). Pale Moon's Archive Server [hacked and spread malware for 18 Months](https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/cc808y/pale_moons_archive_server_hacked_and_spread/)!! - PaleMoon(Basilisk) developer [loves Cloudflare](https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/focus-android/issues/1743#issuecomment-345993097). Pale Moon's Archive Server [hacked and spread malware for 18 Months](https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/cc808y/pale_moons_archive_server_hacked_and_spread/)!!
- Waterfox actively using [Cloudflare on their servers](https://www.digwebinterface.com/?hostnames=www.waterfoxproject.org&type=A&ns=resolver&useresolver=8.8.4.4&nameservers=) and their software have [severe "phones home" problem](https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/waterfox.html). - Waterfox actively using [Cloudflare on their servers](https://www.digwebinterface.com/?hostnames=www.waterfoxproject.org&type=A&ns=resolver&useresolver=8.8.4.4&nameservers=) and their software have [severe "phones home" problem](https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/waterfox.html).