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@ -31,34 +31,32 @@ The Javascript Trap[47]
Understanding that Google is not to be trusted[45][46] Understanding that Google is not to be trusted[45][46]
"Trusted Third Parties are Security Holes" - Nick Szabo[44][48] "Trusted Third Parties are Security Holes" - Nick Szabo[44][48]
Cloudflare is a service for turing tests its users users, which means that Cloudflare is a service for turing tests its users users, which means that it frustrates attempts by users of its users
it frustrates attempts by users of its users to develop software to interact to develop software to interact with their websites[3]. This might seem strange at first - why would you need a program
with their websites[3]. This might seem strange at first - why would you need to access a web resource? But there's many things that work on the web like this, including RSS, podcasts, and antivirus
a program to access a web resource? But there's many things that work on the definitions[57][58] which are completley broken by a CAPTCHA appearing mid stream[11].
web like this, including RSS, podcasts, and antivirus definitions[57][58] which are completley broken by a "We humans don't make HTTP requests, our machines to do it for us."
CAPTCHA appearing mid stream[11]. "We humans don't make HTTP requests, This makes clear what is really being tested here - whether or not you have the *right* software stack in between you and
our machines to do it for us." makes clear what is really being tested here -
whether or not you have the *right* software stack in between you and
cloudflare. cloudflare.
This is not a hypothetical: Cloudflare is currently attempting to dictate This is not a hypothetical: Cloudflare is currently attempting to dictate which web browsers users of websites under cloudflare may use[60].
which web browsers users of websites under cloudflare may use[60].
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Your right to use Free Software in this stack is at risk, and could disappear
at any moment.
It also is extracting free labour from website users[35], in effect tricking human beings to act like robots in order to defeat a test designed to test whether they are a robot, worse: this labour is going towards training a company that is a poor candidate for friendly AI[36]. Given unfriendly AI is an existential[43] risk[42], this should be among the highest priority things to avoid. Your right to use Free Software in this stack is at risk, and could disappear at any moment.
It also is extracting free labour from website users[35], in effect tricking human beings to act like robots in order to defeat
a test designed to test whether they are a robot, worse: this labour is going towards training a company that is a poor
candidate for friendly AI[36]. Given unfriendly AI is an existential[43] risk[42], this should be among the highest priority things to avoid.
This software stack includes human language: the CAPTCHAs are in english, making non-english speakers around the world at a disadvantage[13]. Attempts to fix this are bound by the fact that they also leak language information to cloudflare[21] This software stack includes human language: the CAPTCHAs are in english, making non-english speakers around the world at a disadvantage[13]. Attempts to fix this are bound by the fact that they also leak language information to cloudflare[21]
Furthermore they use Google ReCaptcha for their turing Furthermore they use Google ReCaptcha for their turing test/CAPTCHA, and Google is part of PRISM, so they expose PRISM
test/CAPTCHA, and Google is part of PRISM, so they expose PRISM data collection data collection to users of their websites.
to users of their websites.
Which on its own is bad, but also worth pointing out how the ReCAPTCHAs work: it isn't by whether or not you click on the right icon
or not(though that, is a factor too), but also
Which on its own is bad, but also worth pointing out how the ReCAPTCHAs work:
it isn't by whether or not you click on the right icon or not(though that, is
a factor too), but also
> mouse movement, its slightness and straightness > mouse movement, its slightness and straightness
> page scrolls > page scrolls
> time intervals between browser events > time intervals between browser events
@ -70,19 +68,19 @@ a factor too), but also
This collection of data is likely illegal in regions like the EU where privacy is taken seriously[24] This collection of data is likely illegal in regions like the EU where privacy is taken seriously[24]
It is frustrating even when it works, because you have to fill out 20 captchas It is frustrating even when it works, because you have to fill out 20 captchas on the off chance that you get through 1 time in 20.
on the off chance that you get through 1 time in 20. So this is 95% censorship So this is 95% censorship plus 5% wasting of users time[5].
5% wasting of users time[5].
More important, though is it starts to form a ratchet for web browser technology - the captchas are upgraded all the time, and if you use an older web browser you risk being left behind even if it works now. More important, though is it starts to form a ratchet for web browser technology - the captchas are upgraded all the time, and if you use an older web browser you risk being left behind even if it works now.
*How Cloudflare threatens You* *How Cloudflare threatens You*
"When you fetch a page from a website that is served from CloudFlare, Javascript has been injected on-the-fly into that page by CloudFlare. and they also plant a cookie that brands your browser with a globally-unique ID. ID. This happens even if the website is using SSL and shows a cute little padlock in your browser" [10] "When you fetch a page from a website that is served from CloudFlare, Javascript has been injected on-the-fly into that page by CloudFlare. And they also plant a cookie that brands your browser with a globally-unique ID. ID. This happens even if the website is using SSL and shows a cute little padlock in your browser" [10]
- Cloudflare tracks you - Cloudflare tracks you
Even if your web browsing traffic is protected from onlookers, cloudflare itself because they are a MiTM[14][31] can see your traffic[6]. And if Cloudflare[53] has MITM'd you, then so has the NSA[33]. Even if your web browsing traffic is protected from onlookers, cloudflare itself because they are a MiTM[14][31] can see your traffic[6].
And if Cloudflare[53] has MITM'd you, then so has the NSA[33].
"If a site uses Cloudflare, then the browser lock icon is a false promise."[14] "If a site uses Cloudflare, then the browser lock icon is a false promise."[14]
"The short version, a rhetorical question: Would you trust a key escrow régime, in which an “authorized” entity was entrusted with the potential to decrypt all communications at will? If not, why would you trust a de facto mass decryption chokepoint at which many communications are actually decrypted?"[34] "The short version, a rhetorical question: Would you trust a key escrow régime, in which an “authorized” entity was entrusted with the potential to decrypt all communications at will? If not, why would you trust a de facto mass decryption chokepoint at which many communications are actually decrypted?"[34]
in other words in other words